Bret Stephens came by the Messy Times studios for a wide-ranging yet unified theoretical conversation. Wide-ranging because we cover a range of topics from current themes in American censorship, the restriction of "accepted" thought in the public square, January 6th: The Musical! and the enduring uniqueness of the American Project. Unified theoretically because despite holding some opinions in common and some at odds, the proper way to cope in a free society is not to censor speech or refuse to engage but to debate actively.
Free societies thrive when gadflies buzz around the edges of the public square, relatively unmolested. It is why Messy Times stands for absolutely free speech and why every major social advancement in free nations has originated from unexpected and often very annoying (initially) voices questioning the status quo.
Aside from being a fellow alumnus of the University of Chicago, Bret is a Pulitzer Prize winner, was the Editor-in-Chief of the Jerusalem Post before spending more than a decade as an Opinion Columnist for the Wall Street Journal and since 2017 has been the lone conservative voice at the New York Times. He is the author of America in Retreat; the New Isolationism and the Coming Global Disorder (2014), is the Editor-in-Chief of SAPIR, and is working on a new book you can get a tantalizing glimpse of during our discussion.
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